AsukaisLiterallyMe wrote:but the ending heavily implies a romantic attachment.
How? Because a girl & a boy are standing next to each other?
dzzthink wrote: To be honest anime in general is saturated with ambiguous endings and I am not entirely sure why they can't just tie up loose ends and resolve peacefully.
Personal taste, but I much prefer this to american media that spoonfeeds you the meaning with heavy-handed unsubtlety & everyone talks like they're trying to get a good grade in therapy
Whatever happened to artistry?
AsukaisLiterallyMe wrote:What was the intended point of the scene?
Isn't that obvious from the dialogue?
The scene is about
Shinji's growth, Mari is just an essentially interchangeable messenger. Her lines could go to Misato if she hasn't been blown up a few scenes earlier. I suppose it is Mari because as a contrast figure she is sort of an embodiment/symbol of strength, perseverance & optimism, and it is in that function that she gets those lines.
The entire show is
full of such 'symbolic role contrast' type scenes - see Rei as death (but also hope) and Asuka as 'harsh truth' (but also life) , Misato & Ritsuko as optimist vs cynic, Gendo and Shinji as pragmatism vs sentiment, and so on.
So what's going on in the last scene? What does Mari do, in her capacity as personified Strength/Optimism/Change?
- She symbolically welcomes Shinji into the world of grownups (you know... the theme of the whole tetralogy)
- She declares that he has successfully redeemed himself by taking off the DSS choker (the last two movies were about his guilt for his mistakes)
- Instead of being flustered by her teasing, he fires back after the initial consternation, to show he's more confident now (it's called an expository contrast)
- they hopefully run toward the future / their newfound freedom
So it's a nice little coda or recap 'summarizing' Shinji's progress on the issues he's been struggling with:
- Lacking good adult rolemodels:Touji & Kensuke filled in for that, even Misato kinda came around a bit in the end, & Shinji was inspired to be more responsible by learning from Touji's approach to dealing with feelings of guilt.
(Hence Mari says he 'smells grown up'.)
- responsibility:He went of his own accord to confront the problems by going back on the Wunder.
(His debt is paid - off comes the DSS choker. )
Being 'trapped by destiny':Not just by erasing the need for EVAs with FAR magic, but in a more mundane way by breaking his old patterns, such as trying to actually communicate with Gendo & Asuka, willingly taking on responsibility, wanting to help Kaworu rather than just one-sidedly relying on him, and so on.
(so he is free to have his own life & whatever job he needs this suit for)
- lacking confidenceThis one took the longest, but by the end of the movie he's pretty much seen it all.
(Hard to be flustered by Mari's teasing when he's just talked down an omnicidal mastermind from ending the world.)
Like, let's actually break the scene down. The key to understanding all this is twofold:
1) in the minus space sequence the environment & the character's appearances are used to communicate something about their mindsets.
See how going from plugsuit to normal clothes = letting go of one's dependence on the EVAs, or how the train switches from modern to old when Shinji finally starts to "get" Gendo.
2) while Shinji was putting up a brave face, he thought his redemption would cost him his life.
He wanted his friends to get a future, but didn't think he'd get one for himself.
He puts on a brave face in front of Rei (Rei = hope) of how they should both live with a new & improved attitude & she shouldn't worry about him as Mari will probably come get him ... and then he goes straight to spearing himself. He does NOT wait for the rescue team (aka Mari), he thinks his new life according to his new values will be rather short.
Interestingly he does no such pretense in front of Asuka, & outright says "goodbye" like he's not expecting to see her again.
Fortunately, that's when Shinji's parents finally take some long overdue responsibility for the shitty position they put their son into & take the spear in his place.
So Shinji's stranded in minus space on his own for a while.
At this point he's the only one there.
The scenery gets "sketch-like" as a nod to EoTV ("with no one else around you cant recognize your own shape")
But then, Mari shows up, just in the nick of time - and Shinji is * shocked * that she shows up & that they actually sent someone to rescue him, ie, that his efforts actually paid off. Then he goes from shocked to overjoyed & starts running towards Mari.
I'd say the scenery shifts in the exact moment that he starts to believe that he, too, will have a future.
We're shown this shot of a potential future for Rei, Asuka & Kaworu. At this point they are not physically present in minus space anymore, (hence why they're depicted as on the other side of the trails) - its symbolic.
But now it's Shinji's turn, as Mari is instead here to come get him.
Her extended hand is an invitation to seize his potential future, & he firmly grasps it.
This is "pact sealed" handshake, not a romantic handhold.
Romantic handholds are lingered on, often there's a little movement of the fingers clasping the hands even tighter, & even when it's not a "tititaling" scene, you could do a strong visual shorthand by just showing them standing close to each other or with intertwined fingers.
Instead the focus is on energy & dynamicism: 'He is confident now! He's going to carpe diem from now on!
Compare with the handhold with Kaworu from Q - im not getting into the romantic vs platonic can of worm because its irrelevant, but it was an "Emotional bonding" gesture. Its slow, meaningful and lingered on in detail as the wind plays in Kaworu's hair. They are facing each other.
With the ending scene, The gesture is quick & energetic, not lingered on, they don't face each other for long.
When they run, they are far apart: Emphazising dynamism, not closeness. They are running towards the hopeful future!
Shinji's newfound confidence is further emphasized by how he is the one who says "Let's go" &
pulls Mari after him, so that she has to hurry to keep up (now visibly shorter than him), soon, he is at the front - 'Mentor' and 'student' have now become equals, he is determined to face his life with his newfound enthusiasm. And that's where it cuts off because that's all we really need to know. The story is complete when Shinji's transformation is complete - exactly the same as the other two endings.