Shinji and Asuka — Page 5

That almost-kissing scene is just demostrating how much of a warm-blooded boy Shinji is. If I was a boy and a girl like Asuka had just jumped into bed with me and her breasts were poking out of her shirt that that I know I'd try something too...he was just acting like any boy would, not because he had any feelings for her.

And I don't understand how it makes Shinji and Asuka a couple because they fell on each other like Kaji and Misato did...I don't understand how a simple fall could represent them being made for each other. Kaji and Misato have a very different realtionship then Shinji and Asuka do anyway.



It's blatantly obvious that Asuka was trying to seduce Kaji and he didn't fall for it because he loves Misato. Misato was not trying to seduce Shinji. She was trying to offer him a little comfort but when she did Shinji pushed her away.



Well, I personally prefered the ending to the TV series. The movie was pretty complex and I didn't understand most of what was going on...the ending was what I found the most confusing. But anyway, from the way I interpreted the ending was that Shinji choose Asuka to stay with him because he was too afraid of everyone else. After all, he had just found out that Rei was a clone and he didn't really trust Misato so Asuka seemed to be the best choice. But really, I'll have to watch the movie again because I still don't quite understand the message behind it all...

I think any boy or girl who happen to be friends would react in the same way...again, I don't think that makes them a couple...

I think why Asuka even acknowledges his exsistence in the first place is because he is a pilot just like her and apparently a better one. So, Asuka feels that he is a rival just like Rei. She also apparently thinks because he is a boy she can use her charm or body to catch him off balance. That doesn't make them a couple...it just means that Asuka is very calculating and knows what she wants and that is to be better then the other two pilots.

Just to get this out of the way, there is a difference between being a couple, and having feelings for someone. I am not trying to prove that Shinji and Asuka are a couple. If they were they would of acnoledge their feelings and would be dating or something along there. Kaji and Misato is really the only couple in the series (Gendo/Ris maybe), as everyone canplainly see.

Another thing in EoE durring the dream sequence, Shinji and the three gals were in the train. Shinji was looking Rei, and Asuka went over him and blocked his view saying "If I can't have you all to myself, I don't want anything to do with you!" Not only that but she was shoving her assests in his face all the while saying this. Before that, Asuka even said "I know about your jeck-off fantasies about me. Do it again. I'll even watch." And the scene before that With Asuka yelling at Shinji that he can't possibly understand, the scene focus on her breast, lips, rear end. There is way too much sexual tention for it to be a simple friendship.

As for the kiss, while it may be true that she did do it out of curiosity, she apparenly is making a big deal out of it from Shinji's misreaction. As I said before in the Director's Cuts extended mind rape scene, when she supposivly said "I should not of kiss out of bordem!" you see her very much distressed, and not acting out of simple annoyance.

Also whens the last time a person acts out of jealousy over just a chat? Asuka simply does not want Shinji to talk with Rei. Heck she completly ignores Rei looks straight at Shinji. Also considering that she wants her "Ego inflated" why does she wants both Shinji and Kaji to pat attention to her so much? Kaji appeared behind Kaji with him saying "You're still a child. Why not Misato, or anyone else for that matter? Also why I Shinji doing in the mind rape anyway, which has nothing to do with him succeding her in EVA?

My reasons for saying this is not simply because I think they are a cute couple (even though I do), the relationship and the feelings they have for each other is so complex and interesting that it would be a waste to throw if off as nothing. This is hardly a sweet and wonderful couple. Like everything else in EVA, it's troubling and twisted.

BTW the box set does not have the director's cut scenes, as ADV never got the copyrights for them. You might of mistaken them the the scenes in the Death part of rebirth. They took a few DC scenes in stick them in there. All the stuff I mentioned were only in the Japanese release of the series.

All the examples in the pics are Asuka showing off and Shinji being a regular (hormonal) teen. We already discussed that (a lot, actually).

Listing them with screencaps don't help one thing or the other. If every couple in anime that had those kind of scenes were in love, the shonen market would be 100% polygamic (hell, i bet there's enough "evidence" between same-sex characters, if you look hard enough). The ones that want to think that Eva is all about Asuka and Shinji's love are still going to think that, the ones that think they are just friends will stay like that and so on. Sadly, all this discussion kinda stupidifies Eva's writing.

Director Cuts, EoE, Tv series... To me Eva is not about this "couple" - i've never seen anything that made me think otherwise. Sure, someone may kick and scream and say i'm blind, but i always tought Eva was not a boy + girl anime. Eva was always about messed up people making messed up mistakes, that only start to grasp something in the very end.

I definetly don't think Shinji and Asuka will go hand in hand find their amazing love or anything. All the cast is way past love, or just too far away from getting there.

To me, in the end, Shinji is just desperate and wants someone to help him, which would be the next living non-scary person. Asuka is looking for someone to worship/love/whatever her, and nobody is paying attention, so Shinji's the one.

I'm pretty sure i would think differently if the Eva tv series were like GOS2, but in the Eva we've seen, love is just a far away concept that nobody in the cast is capable of grasping (yet, or anymore).

P.S:

Just to repeat what i've said before, i do think Asuka has some kind of feelings for Shinji, but i can't possibly see love anywhere in that (just like in Kaji/Misato, which are already past love and into desperation-city).

I do not think Shinji loves Asuka at all, and even seeing him having feelings for her is hard to me.

I was his age 10 years ago. I've kissed, had the hots, went to the pool together, stole panties, all kinds of crap, and i wasn't in love with anyone or got together as a couple until years later (notice the lack of the word "love" here). Guys will always have "couple" moments when they are close to a girl, girls will always have "couple" moments when they are close to a guy.

How many times someone came over to you and a friend of the opposite sex and went "hey, are you dating or something"?

I dont know how much of a "couple" they are if they cant admit it to themselves or each other.

Also a lot of the examples you give did happen, but simaler things happened with Rie, and Rei and Shinji were not a couple. Asuka also lived with Shinji, giveing her more screen time and more interaction with Shinji, thus facilitating perhaps more superficial examples.

However the examples you give do carry a certin weight, and make a strong case.






In responce to Orin_Quon post:

I would say the whole show had a lot to do with love, it was the motivation of almost every character.

Gendo's love of Yui

Yui's love of Shinji

Fuyutsuki's love of Yui (He probly would never have helped Gendo after Yui died if he did not love her)

Ritsuko's love of Gendo (probly one of the reasons she was so devoted to helping him with his plans)

Dr. Akagi's love of Gendo (She killed Rei 1 and herself because she found out Gendo did not care about her)

Rei's love of Gendo, and Shinji

Kaji's love of Misato

Misato's love of Kaji

Maya's love of Ritsuko

Kaworu's love of Shinji (If not for that, Kaworu might have caused the 3rd impact)

and of course Shinji's love of Misato, Rei and Asuka.

I agree with you as I never said this was about love, or couples for that matter. Nor is the show all about Shinji and Asuka. EVA is a show about human intereaction, and certain interactions are going to be focus on more than another. Shinji's interaction with the three gals happens to be many of the more important ones. The need to feel loved or at leased needed is a very strong theme in Neon Genesis Evangelion. And the numerous times I said before, the Shinji/Asuka relationship was not a sweet and loving couple where they get marries off to the sunset. If anything, it's highy troubling and bitter. It's mixed with jealouy, anger, desire, and misconseptions, in regarding the feelings they have for each other. While I certainly would not want this to happen in real life, it makes this relationship so interesting to me as I said before.

I was hoping someone would say that.

There isn't a single example of real love in the show (in the "present" of the show). From Gendo to Misato to Kaji to Ritsuko to whatever, they're all taking the virtue out of love and pissing on it.

"I'm making this because i love _____."

Yeah, right.

They're messed up people that just go deeper and deeper in the holes they're making to themselves.

Even the examples people use the most, like Misato, still are just sad people lying to themselves. Hiding behind something. I don't want to piss anyone, but i remember seeing a sig with "Misato - The True Hero of Evangelion".

Everytime i saw that i would just shake my head.

No one can argue with that!

But I would say there a few examples of real love, the best being Yui's love of Shinji, it was unconditional.

I agree that the releationsip between Shinji and Asuka is not what Eva is all about a great weight in it self. Like Duf said, it mostly about character interactions and relationships and the one between Asuka and Shinji really carries through the whole series and drives some of the more important ideas. Their relationship has a heavy effect on the mental states of these characters as you see just by looking at how much time was spent with these two in Intrumentality.

I don't see Yui as the Unit, so i consider her a "past" character. That why i mentioned "in the present of the show". Misato's dad loved her (past). And so on...

Anyway.....that's one example that no one could deny

She loved him in the past and in the future as well.

I'd agree with you, if it weren't for Kaworu. His love for Shinji was perhaps one of the few real examples of caring about someone more than caring about yourself (true love, whether you believe it was romantic or not). Just when you thought that the show had dived to the bottom of the pit of selfishness, episode 24 comes along.

I wouldn't consider their relationship "true love" I think that Kaworu was really in love with Shinji, but Shinji was just too depressed and just went to the first person who offered him affection. I think Shinji might have strong feelings for him, Kaworu was the first person to show him true affection and he welcomed it with open hands but I don't think it was love.