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Postby The Eva Monkey » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:02 am

Eva Otaku wrote:In February 1997, an anonymous document circulated through Japanese anime bulletin boards and internet chat rooms. This nearly 40KB text-only document written under the pseudonym "Hiiro Yui", a self-professed "[anime] industry dropout", claimed to expose various behind-the-scenes secrets surrounding the Evangelion TV airing, Director Anno, Okada Toshio (Gainax founding member), and other Gainax/Eva related matters that had thus far circulated only as rumors among industry people and otaku "in the know". This document, which came to be known as the Evangelion kaibunsho*, quickly disappeared from the bulletin boards and chat rooms, but copies had been made and the document was also posted anonymously to several prominent Eva-related websites, so it saw widespread exposure. The "Eva boom" now past, most of these websites no longer exist, and the document can currently be found only at a few forgotten web pages and mirror sites.

Read the rest at Eva Otaku:
http://www.evaotaku.com/html/kaibunsho.html
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Postby the_seventh_child » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:37 am

That's interesting stuff... Especially Section 2!

The epilogue was awesome btw!

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Postby Reichu » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:47 am

the_seventh_child wrote:That's interesting stuff... Especially Section 2!

I'd actually heard about that one before, albeit not in much detail.

I've tended to treat Anno's harsh criticisms of otaku quite cynically, as being essentially hypocritical and more about his own problems than anything else. At least "Hiiro"-san seems to agree with me on this.

The stuff about Miyazaki reminds me of that comic where Miyazaki and Anno enter mortal combat with one another.

MIYAZAKI: "I don't hate you, Hideaki. No, I just despise your work intensely."
ANNO: "Old fool! You couldn't make me finish a project before, and you won't make me stop Cutie Honey now!"
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Postby Otaprince » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:50 am

It's an interesting document. I believe that it's "true" insofar as the author is who he claims he is (an anime industry dropout) who believes his own opinions. Some points:

Shinji is referred to as "autistic".

"Eva [TV] ending was made under conditions with Gainax's hands tied in terms of budget, time and content."

In retrospect it's blatantly obvious, but it's nice to hear about some of the behind-the-scenes details. I guess when the Kaibunsho was written, Anno was still making the excuse (lie) that "he planned that ending all along."

Miyazaki would have nothing to do with Anno after Nausicaa - Probably true, for the simple reason that if Miyazaki loved Anno's work on that giant scene, why not invite him back to work on more Ghibli films? However, Ghibli later distributed Anno's live action films, didn't it? I'm guessing that the young Anno rubbed Miyazaki the wrong way, but after Gunbuster and Eva, Miyazaki must have realized what a genius Anno is.

"Hideaki Anno’s otaku life starts with his expulsion from the Osaka University of Arts for ignoring his studies and pursuing a lifestyle that focused exclusively on otaku activities."

Hiiro writes this as a dis on Anno, but those "otaku activities" were making the Daicon anime and Daicon movies. Anno dropped out or was expelled from art school because he was busy launching a career in anime and sci-fi. Sounds like Anno was the smart one, here.

Anno's first true love was Hidaka Noriko, voice of Jean in Nadia.

Again, I believe it. Hiiro tells the story to mock Anno, but to me it sounds sad and sweet, if somewhat pathetic (hah, if that sounds like Shinji, it's no coincidence). Anno fell in love, he got shot down. He responded, "watch my next work," which fits because Eva seems like a work fueled by a desire to impress. It's clear that it was meant to impress the world, but maybe Anno wanted to impress Noriko, too.

Note that Anno was 30 years old when Nadia began...
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Postby cat42 » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 am

Reichu wrote:The stuff about Miyazaki reminds me of that comic where Miyazaki and Anno enter mortal combat with one another.

MIYAZAKI: "I don't hate you, Hideaki. No, I just despise your work intensely."
ANNO: "Old fool! You couldn't make me finish a project before, and you won't make me stop Cutie Honey now!"


Whre can I find this? I have searched and failed...

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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:42 pm

A lot of this we already know. I especially credit Anno's intentions to kill off all the characters in bloody fashion. I'm not too sure about a "final battle" between Gendou and Shinji. I mean, how exactly were they going to "fight"?
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Postby BobBQ » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:06 pm

Looks to me like somebody had a major axe to grind and was willing to say just about anything to make himself look good.

I'd hate to think that I might one day succeed in my chosen profession only to have somebody write things like that about me. Ech!

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Postby Carl Horn » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:36 pm

I think a major topic of my EVA panel at Anime Weekend Atlanta will be explaining why I believe much of this document to be wrong--not merely biased or opinionated, but simply wrong. I'm concerned about this (an anonymous denunciation, for God's sake!) becoming part of the new "everybody knows" about EVANGELION.

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Postby Carl Horn » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:39 pm

cat42 wrote:
Reichu wrote:The stuff about Miyazaki reminds me of that comic where Miyazaki and Anno enter mortal combat with one another.

MIYAZAKI: "I don't hate you, Hideaki. No, I just despise your work intensely."
ANNO: "Old fool! You couldn't make me finish a project before, and you won't make me stop Cutie Honey now!"


Whre can I find this? I have searched and failed...


Don't forget Oshii getting into the mix with his .357 Magnum. The manga was done by an artist who contributes regularly to the fanzine "Empty Space." I've got a copy at home, which I'll have to check...

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Postby Reichu » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:09 pm

cat42 wrote:Whre can I find this? I have searched and failed...


Here you go:
http://www.evacommentary.org/images_fanart/con-where-anime-died.zip

Carl Horn wrote:I think a major topic of my EVA panel at Anime Weekend Atlanta will be explaining why I believe much of this document to be wrong--not merely biased or opinionated, but simply wrong. I'm concerned about this (an anonymous denunciation, for God's sake!) becoming part of the new "everybody knows" about EVANGELION.

Right up there with "Anno created EoE to spite the fans" and all that.

I *really* want all of the articles/interviews that are referenced; I mean, it totally blows to have to just take people's words on their contents, or just the insider scoops in general. Most of the "NGE personnel"-related stuff published in Japan is still totally inaccessible to anybody who doesn't know Japanese. You'd think after 10+ years...

Carl, since most of us probably won't be there at Atlanta, you plan on putting anything up on the Internets denouncing the denouncement?

Carl Horn wrote:Don't forget Oshii getting into the mix with his .357 Magnum.

I didn't even know who Oshii was last time I actually looked at the manga -- embarassing, eh? I still don't really know much about him and why he showed up with that .357 Magnum.

The manga was done by an artist who contributes regularly to the fanzine "Empty Space." I've got a copy at home, which I'll have to check...

If you have any data on the source and/or artist, I'd love to know. Image
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Postby Carl Horn » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:52 pm

Reichu wrote:
cat42 wrote:Whre can I find this? I have searched and failed...


Here you go:
http://www.evacommentary.org/images_fanart/con-where-anime-died.zip

Carl Horn wrote:I think a major topic of my EVA panel at Anime Weekend Atlanta will be explaining why I believe much of this document to be wrong--not merely biased or opinionated, but simply wrong. I'm concerned about this (an anonymous denunciation, for God's sake!) becoming part of the new "everybody knows" about EVANGELION.

Right up there with "Anno created EoE to spite the fans" and all that.

I *really* want all of the articles/interviews that are referenced; I mean, it totally blows to have to just take people's words on their contents, or just the insider scoops in general. Most of the "NGE personnel"-related stuff published in Japan is still totally inaccessible to anybody who doesn't know Japanese. You'd think after 10+ years...

Carl, since most of us probably won't be there at Atlanta, you plan on putting anything up on the Internets denouncing the denouncement?

Carl Horn wrote:Don't forget Oshii getting into the mix with his .357 Magnum.

I didn't even know who Oshii was last time I actually looked at the manga -- embarassing, eh? I still don't really know much about him and why he showed up with that .357 Magnum.

The manga was done by an artist who contributes regularly to the fanzine "Empty Space." I've got a copy at home, which I'll have to check...

If you have any data on the source and/or artist, I'd love to know. Image


Oshii, like Anno, was one of the people Miyazaki hoped might join Ghibli, and perhaps take over for him one day.

I did post a few responses to the Eva mailing list ("Worst...kaibunsho...ever!") but--and this bothers me--I really don't have the time right now to sit down and respond in detail. When I saw the article this morning, I felt like it was a virus that's been accidentally spilled on a city street. It seems to be trying to take advantage of people who know about the Eva phenomenon but don't know much about the history of Gainax (it's quite possible that the author didn't).

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Postby Karen_Leslie » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:22 pm

I'm far from the most knowledgable person in the world about the production of Eva, but it seemed to me from that article that whatever truths might have been there were overshadowed and distorted by the overwhelming jealousy that the author obviously feels towards Anno.
IMO anyone who's remotely open-minded will be able to sense from the author's tone that this is, at best, an opinionated diatribe that stretches the truth liberally in an attempt to smear Anno and GAINAX.

Slightly OT, but about "Anno made EOE to hurt the fans...", I was under the impression that this idea was really more of an exaggeration then a total fabrication. I heard about the negative responses of Japanese audiences to Eva TV ep. 25-26 and how the knowledge of their disapproval effected the production of EOE for YEARS, from multiple sources-- I find it hard to believe that they were all completely wrong. Granted, I realize that's not the reason he made the movie, but I didn't think the fact that fan disapproval was at least a contributing factor to some decisions made during EOE's production was in dispute. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm honestly curious.

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Postby BobBQ » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:40 pm

Reichu wrote:Here you go:
http://www.evacommentary.org/images_fanart/con-where-anime-died.zip

Heh. Liked the custom Anaconda .44 bit.

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Postby master0rolando » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:50 pm

wow...

adter looking at that stuff about Anno...i never knew he was such a dick

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Postby Karen_Leslie » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:22 pm

Actually he didn't know that you were such a dick until recently, when I told him that you were-- and based on one arbitrary, unsubstantiated opinion alone, Hideaki Anno is now convinced that YOU are a dick. You ought to be ashamed of yourself! [/sarcasm]

...or, it could be that you aren't really a dick at all, and that's just some people's opinion...hmm...wow, that's deep.

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Postby Mundane » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:43 pm

Karen_Leslie wrote:Actually he didn't know that you were such a dick until recently, when I told him that you were-- and based on one arbitrary, unsubstantiated opinion alone, Hideaki Anno is now convinced that YOU are a dick. You ought to be ashamed of yourself! [/sarcasm]

...or, it could be that you aren't really a dick at all, and that's just some people's opinion...hmm...wow, that's deep.


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Postby Shin-seiki » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:17 pm

For years I've repeated the story about Anno falling for Noriko Hidaka (she's best known as for her role as Akane in Ranma 1/2, btw), without really knowing where it came from; it's gratifying to have an actual source to cite, lest people think I was pulling that out of my ass.

The other juicy rumor about Eva that I used hear a lot back in the day, was that Yuko Miyamura, in the starving-artist, pre-NGE stage of her career, appeared in a porn flick. On another forum, I've seen that story referenced (by a poster from Japan who works in the anime industry), not so much as a salacious rumor, but rather as factual, common knowledge...
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Postby CorporalChaos » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:44 pm

Reading about the orginal plans for the ending, do you think it is possible that they will use those in the movies... :shock:

Asuka and Rei dying...that would probably shake me up more than EoE did...
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Postby Defectron » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:35 pm

Asuka and Rei dying...that would probably shake me up more than EoE did...


But they did die in eoe (sort of). Anyway on the subject of the article, someone already pointed out some stuff anno did that seemed sort of like Shinji. But I heard that a lot of the other characters in eva were supposed to embody certain parts of annos personality too. For example the part this guy discribes where annos telling off the animators for not drawing things right seems sort of like a gendo sort of thing to do. The guy who wrote this sounds pretty disgruntled so a lot of this is probably biased but there does seem to be some truth in there too.
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Postby AchtungAffen » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:55 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:The other juicy rumor about Eva that I used hear a lot back in the day, was that Yuko Miyamura, in the starving-artist, pre-NGE stage of her career, appeared in a porn flick. On another forum, I've seen that story referenced (by a poster from Japan who works in the anime industry), not so much as a salacious rumor, but rather as factual, common knowledge...


As in she herself being the porn star? Uhhh, I'd love to see that. I hate Miyamura. Check this out:

http://pics.reiliberationparade.com.ar/video/miyamura.no.baka.avi

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