Could Shinji have prevented Asuka's death?

[honsou]

Its like reverse Oedipus, with the mom sorta having the hots for the son...sorta. Anyway Shinji couldn't ofhave saved Asuka but with the help of Yui could ofhave. Which brings a whole new set of questions about why Yui didn't help Shinji get in and save Asuka.

[Legendary]

I meant Oedipus in the sense that fate was unavoidable. The mother/son business is just extra.

[BobBQ]

Oedipus, actually.

Sophocles, then. If anything, Euripides would be more appropriate.

[Synapsid]

I would actually cite all of the three greats as an influence: Asuka’s plight certainly goes with Euripides, although the interconected, sequential pattern is an element Aeschylus. And the Oedipus element Legendary raised, along with the march of unavoidable destiny is influenced by Sophocles.
But the Greek element isn’t just limited to tragedy. The subtle style of Greek delivery is used throughout the show, often information isn’t directly show, but conveyed through background conversations, dialogue or context...This is something of a modernday version of the chorus.

[BobBQ]

Frankly, I think you're grasping at straws. The influence of Greek techniques on later media is so pervasive that presuming a deliberate utilization of Attic stage themes by Anno et al - who, after all, put in so much of that wonderful 'depth' for entirely superficial reasons - is untenable.

[honsou]

I meant Oedipus in the sense that fate was unavoidable. The mother/son business is just extra.

Ah, well in that case it seems the entire situation was avoidable. If Yui would of just throw Shinji inside unit 01 as soon as he got there him and Asuka would certainly been able to completely finish off the mass production series.

[ArborVitae]

The only thing close to ancient Greek - dome style of the plot elements has to do with the fact that everybody dies in the end.

[BrikHaus]

The only thing close to ancient Greek - dome style of the plot elements has to do with the fact that everybody dies in the end.

Dome-style? Like Thunderdome? I'm pretty sure that was Australian, not Greek.

[ArborVitae]

The only thing close to ancient Greek - dome style of the plot elements has to do with the fact that everybody dies in the end.

Dome-style? Like Thunderdome? I'm pretty sure that was Australian, not Greek.

Check your Wernicke. It is a part of a body part

[Lucretius]

Check your Wernicke. It is a part of a body part

My irony meter just exploded.

[xfactor30seconds]

since SEELE had third impact planned to happen even if Shinji had gotten into unit 01 and saved Asuka they probaly would have found some way to kill her and initiate third impact. Asuka's death was crucial to the plan because it affected Shinji's decision in the end. If Asuka didn't die then SEELE's plan would have been delayed.

[Joseph the PRPD]

since SEELE had third impact planned to happen even if Shinji had gotten into unit 01 and saved Asuka they probaly would have found some way to kill her and initiate third impact. Asuka's death was crucial to the plan because it affected Shinji's decision in the end. If Asuka didn't die then SEELE's plan would have been delayed.

Third impact would be inevitable. Eva-01 probably could of killed the MP EVAs and third impact still would've happened. Not by SEELE's hands but by Gendo's hand. Remember Rei and Gendo are still down there in Terminal Dogma.

[NemZ]

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Yes, but then she wouldn't have died any earlier than the whole world did. Everyone dies eventually, sure, but he could have prevented that particular death.

[DummyPlug]

Oh. So, in a way, the fish faced evas saved Asuka. By horribly mutilating Asuka's Eva and probably killing Asuka, they caused Shinji to go batshit insane, summon a giant naked Rei, turn everybody into tang and somehow the sequence of events ended up with Asuka being alive again.

If 3rd impact had gone Gendo's way, this wouldn't have happened (me thinks).

[Reichu]

Yes, but then she wouldn't have died any earlier than the whole world did. Everyone dies eventually, sure, but he could have prevented that particular death.

Asuka (over speaker system): "Grrrawwwwwrrrr, that stupid Shinji! Perhaps today IS a good day to die!!!!"

If 3rd impact had gone Gendo's way, this wouldn't have happened (me thinks).

I'm not sure what you think would have happened -- but it's worth paying close attention to what he says to Seele at the beginning of the movie and the instructions he gives Rei later on...

[DummyPlug]

My understanding was that he wanted to reunite with Yui at all costs, without caring about what happens to the rest of humanity.

[Reichu]

A commonly taken impression but inconsistent with all the cues provided.

To read more / continue discussion (this is off-topic and all) --

http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?t=5375
http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?t=2556
http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?t=319
http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?t=606

(Sorry, NemZ. ......Nah.)

[Alaska Slim]

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Yes, but then she wouldn't have died any earlier than the whole world did. Everyone dies eventually, sure, but he could have prevented that particular death.

He would have had to have been motivated before he knew Asuka was out there, because by the time he did know, Misato was dragging him along, and by the time he knew Asuka was in trouble, he was already at the launch cage.

Then we must assume he had the ability to call EVA-01 to action, which I believe he at least had a part in, as her actions were far too convenient for him.

[TheLobe]

I think the implication was that he could have. Asuka only failed because she ran out of power. Shinji doesn't have that problem.

[Alaska Slim]

I think the implication was that he could have.

Except NemZ doesn't believe that, which makes his statement rather peculiar.